So yeah...
Sep. 7th, 2008 08:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
jedi_of_urthI can not get this thought out of my head so I'm going to put it out there for other people to ponder with me.
See, I think there's a case for Rose's appearances in season 4 coming after her in the final two episodes.
For one thing, in Rose's other appearances, she fates out rather than zapping around like people did in TSE/JE.
She also says in Turn Left that she was pulled across the stars rather than the dimensional canon we find out about later.
Also she clearly is traveling in time as well as between universes (Midnight and pretty much all of Turn Left), and while in TL she does also construct a time machine there is no reference to that aspect of the dimensional canon. Not that it couldn't be I admit.
I'm not going to rest my case on the fact that Turn Left Rose seems much more sciency and mysterious than TSE/JE Rose, but I do see it.
In TL Rose seemed to know a fair bit about Jack's Torchwood team/Jack's not dying but didn't in the finale.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall TSE/JE Rose making any reference to the events of Turn Left, or any of the other events of the season. Neither way were she and Donna ever properly introduced it occurs to me (as far as I recall).
So here's what I end up with, Rose from later, either by being immortal or she and Ten II develop to time travel aspect and work out where she needs to go, Rose has different abilities to travel between worlds/times. Either way, her knowledge of what she needs to say to Donna in TL largely comes from Ten II. In PiC when she sees Donna she knows she's too early, her vid screen appearances (and possibly being the cause of Martha's phone doing weird things in TDDau as I've always believed) happen on and off, and she coaches Donna through TL. But to what end?
Well if we're going the immortal!Rose path then it probably involves getting back to Universe A to find the Doctor/Ten I (Ten II possibly out of the picture, or possibly knowing she'd be better off with Time Lord Doctor in that case). Or maybe it's just to make the time lines match up and completing the cycles of time.
This could both explain Ten I's actions in JE but also give them a slightly darker twist (to me), if he knew there was a time loop involved with his spiffy Time Lord senses. Darker if only because it echoes the way River's fate is part of a cycle. It continues to make a "destiny" element to the show that I don't like, even if it's done in the context of preserving time lines.
It does however cover some of the discontinuities/plot holes from the finale.
P.S. This is not VS5 related, if we were going this route I'd probably change half the outline to deal with it.
See, I think there's a case for Rose's appearances in season 4 coming after her in the final two episodes.
For one thing, in Rose's other appearances, she fates out rather than zapping around like people did in TSE/JE.
She also says in Turn Left that she was pulled across the stars rather than the dimensional canon we find out about later.
Also she clearly is traveling in time as well as between universes (Midnight and pretty much all of Turn Left), and while in TL she does also construct a time machine there is no reference to that aspect of the dimensional canon. Not that it couldn't be I admit.
I'm not going to rest my case on the fact that Turn Left Rose seems much more sciency and mysterious than TSE/JE Rose, but I do see it.
In TL Rose seemed to know a fair bit about Jack's Torchwood team/Jack's not dying but didn't in the finale.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall TSE/JE Rose making any reference to the events of Turn Left, or any of the other events of the season. Neither way were she and Donna ever properly introduced it occurs to me (as far as I recall).
So here's what I end up with, Rose from later, either by being immortal or she and Ten II develop to time travel aspect and work out where she needs to go, Rose has different abilities to travel between worlds/times. Either way, her knowledge of what she needs to say to Donna in TL largely comes from Ten II. In PiC when she sees Donna she knows she's too early, her vid screen appearances (and possibly being the cause of Martha's phone doing weird things in TDDau as I've always believed) happen on and off, and she coaches Donna through TL. But to what end?
Well if we're going the immortal!Rose path then it probably involves getting back to Universe A to find the Doctor/Ten I (Ten II possibly out of the picture, or possibly knowing she'd be better off with Time Lord Doctor in that case). Or maybe it's just to make the time lines match up and completing the cycles of time.
This could both explain Ten I's actions in JE but also give them a slightly darker twist (to me), if he knew there was a time loop involved with his spiffy Time Lord senses. Darker if only because it echoes the way River's fate is part of a cycle. It continues to make a "destiny" element to the show that I don't like, even if it's done in the context of preserving time lines.
It does however cover some of the discontinuities/plot holes from the finale.
P.S. This is not VS5 related, if we were going this route I'd probably change half the outline to deal with it.
