I’ve been 99.9% sure since “Utopia” that Jack’s fact-hood (not just his immortality) is going to be important to the story.
Oh yeah, something like that has got to be important somehow (and not Face of Boe route). I really expected it to come up in the finale, but I expected a lot of things to come into play in the finale that got brushed aside in favor of Martha's Magical World Tour for Tinkerbelle. I know even New WHo doesn't exactly follow the Buffy/Farscape/Heroes model of things building and building throughout the season, and bits of things laid in to all explode in the finale, but LotTL practically didn't deal with *any* of the things that had been set up by the season, even the directly related episodes, leading up to it.
And I know I'm guilty of trying to connect everything to Rose, but not addressing Jack status, and that status being completely tied in with Rose, makes it feel like it's important to the Rose story.
When I hear “mature,” I think “serious,” not “pornographic.” The scenes in the nursing home in “Eye of the Gorgon.” Or the scene in “Warriors of the Kudlak” where Sarah Jane sees the Earth from orbit.
On one hand I kind of agree with you that the SJA is in many ways more "mature" for just the small moments it has like that. But the SJA isn't what I would call "adult" either, but neither is TW.
What I think Torchwood means to be (or at least at one point meant to be) is a morally grey world where the good guys are mostly anti-heroes and they make poor choices, and the villains have complex motivations. But they really failed to make it that (as much as Everything Changes has it's problems, I think it did stick to that game plan fairly well).
The SJA I think operates in a world where there is clearly good and bad, though sometimes people get caught in the middle, most characters seem to fall into the ends of the spectrum, or at least the decisions are clearly either right or wrong.
You know I'm not sure what my point was exactly, but I do think the SJA is written much more maturely even if it's less adult. Also I really hope Torchwood is better in season 2, I think they're going to have a little more freedom than they did before, though I'm not sure so maybe they'll be able to make it work.
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Date: 2007-11-09 06:26 am (UTC)Oh yeah, something like that has got to be important somehow (and not Face of Boe route). I really expected it to come up in the finale, but I expected a lot of things to come into play in the finale that got brushed aside in favor of Martha's Magical World Tour for Tinkerbelle. I know even New WHo doesn't exactly follow the Buffy/Farscape/Heroes model of things building and building throughout the season, and bits of things laid in to all explode in the finale, but LotTL practically didn't deal with *any* of the things that had been set up by the season, even the directly related episodes, leading up to it.
And I know I'm guilty of trying to connect everything to Rose, but not addressing Jack status, and that status being completely tied in with Rose, makes it feel like it's important to the Rose story.
When I hear “mature,” I think “serious,” not “pornographic.” The scenes in the nursing home in “Eye of the Gorgon.” Or the scene in “Warriors of the Kudlak” where Sarah Jane sees the Earth from orbit.
On one hand I kind of agree with you that the SJA is in many ways more "mature" for just the small moments it has like that. But the SJA isn't what I would call "adult" either, but neither is TW.
What I think Torchwood means to be (or at least at one point meant to be) is a morally grey world where the good guys are mostly anti-heroes and they make poor choices, and the villains have complex motivations. But they really failed to make it that (as much as Everything Changes has it's problems, I think it did stick to that game plan fairly well).
The SJA I think operates in a world where there is clearly good and bad, though sometimes people get caught in the middle, most characters seem to fall into the ends of the spectrum, or at least the decisions are clearly either right or wrong.
You know I'm not sure what my point was exactly, but I do think the SJA is written much more maturely even if it's less adult. Also I really hope Torchwood is better in season 2, I think they're going to have a little more freedom than they did before, though I'm not sure so maybe they'll be able to make it work.