Several angry (but some not) TV reactions
Apr. 23rd, 2018 05:48 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
jedi_of_urthSo here’s three weeks’ worth of reviews. What can I say old episodes of The X-Files are so far a lot less anger inducing than my present shows.
Legends of Tomorrow 3x17
I liked that one a fair amount...when it wasn’t entirely frustrating. I thought it was a better use of Darhk...except that it still wants me to care about him. I liked the Amaya plot...or at least I think I did, I also kind of feel like I’m going to eventually decide that I didn’t. I love that Nate eventually decided to just say screw the timeline, this is the right thing to do; except that I still think this relationship was pretty poorly handled especially this season. It’s a much better use of Rip...except when it isn’t.
Look, you all know I’m mostly going to talk about Rip, so might as well just do it.
For one thing, I wish the show would remember that Rip was a father. If anyone was going to sympathize with Damien in this, it would be the man who threw away a lifetime of duty to try and break time and save his family. Now he probably also hates Damien more than any of them besides Sara, but we also aren’t acknowledging that. And considering Damien has to know about Rip’s family history, I feel like he would he appeal to that.
After the first confrontation with Darhk, all I could think was that the one person on the ship who shouldn’t be the one who talks to Sara was Ava. Ray knew Laurel, Zari’s lost a brother, Sara would probably be quite comfortable ranting at Mick while she worked things out; and Rip probably knows Sara better than any of them. They did however find the one way to make it okay with me that it’s Ava; Rip told her to go do it. Much like when he told Sara to be her own council at the end of last season, Rip knows Sara needs to talk and someone needs to go to her, and the two of them don’t really seem to have worked things out, and he figures she would like to talk to Ava. So by making Rip a factor in why it’s Ava, I become...if not exactly okay with it a lot better with it. Then Sara and Ava spend most of their time arguing about Rip, because Rip has always been the other strand in this relationship.
Which is why the later stuff with Sara and Ava doesn’t work. I’ve complained already about the idea that Ava’s love brought Sara back, when her words were pure Rip (btw, when did Rip find out about the procession by the death totem, he’s way too casual about that). Back at the start of the season, I didn’t ship Sara/Ava by any means, but I liked their dynamic at times, even if 90% of the time I only cared as related to Rip; what I don’t see is love. Too much of their relationship, even in this episode, is still related to Rip.
On the other hand I really like the Rip and Ava scene we do get. It would be better if I really cared about Ava as a character, but even the way it is I did feel it. It’s a rough situation that I do find it sympathetic. I also kind of love the idea that Rip’s favorite time agent is someone he can’t lose, that he can replace if something happens to her. That isn’t true with the Legends, if they get hurt he loses them. And I kind of still think he casts her as a replacement Sara, which is interesting that she is also replaceable, while Sara isn’t.
And by god he loves Sara. Just about everything in the scene with the death totem is so perfectly Rip loving Sara. It’s quiet, but it screams. I can’t even pick moments it was all so shippy.
Also, welcome back Rip, he dug the old Rip clothes out of...well the fabricator, but they’re his old look while he runs coms on the ship. Not a bit of agent blue in it or tie in sight, it’s all space drifter, and I have missed it.
Arrow 6x17
I liked parts of this episode, but overall I’m not sure how I feel. I’m getting a little tired of this season’s commitment to supposedly calling Oliver on his mistakes, but usually just making the other parties look kind of dumb in the process. Because Oliver has made plenty of mistakes, this season and across the last six seasons, but the reasons people are leaving him now ends up feeling wrong.
The fractured team in and of itself I understood, as I’ve said repeatedly there always were differences between the old team and the new; but them splitting up over surveillance just doesn’t seem very reasonable (when someone *had* betrayed the team); especially since they’ve turned around and kept right on surveilling people on suspicions with sometimes less cause. Digg is probably right that Oliver is spreading himself too thin, but Oliver has been mayor for going on two years now and last season Digg was all about Oliver getting back in the hood to go out and help people.
On one hand I like times when the characters just cut loose and go at each other, but the feel of this one was all wrong. Oliver and Digg have fought before, and it’s gotten personal before, but not like this. When they finally just went too far, it didn’t feel like a heat of the moment attack, it felt deliberately going too far. And after Digg makes the first move over the line, I almost believe that Oliver would respond in kind...but I don’t think he’d go that far without knowing it was WAY too far.
And...well this can’t be the first time it’s been an issue (in fact, I’m not even sure it’s the first time I’ve complained about it this season, and I know it came up at times last year), but it’s an episode that made me very aware of what’s been a growing problem. Does Felicity even have a character anymore? Felicity and John have been friends almost as long as him and Oliver, and yet this episode gives her nothing to do in their difficulties. She’s basically just become an extension of Oliver and the person who gets things done on the computers (going to go look for the needle in a haystack...oh look I found it).
As much as I always love seeing Lyla, because I like her and I generally approve of the show remembering she exists, when they do remember she exists it almost makes it more obvious how often they forget her. I also still think the Arrow writers are still pissed off about Flashpoint (or realize that their audience has some people like me who are) and just continue to keep JJ offscreen and away from anything, possibly hoping at some point they can just slot baby-would-be-toddler-now Sara back where she should be.
I kind of notice how little I cared about any of the other plotlines going on this time.
Agents of SHIELD 5x16
So...I couldn’t bring myself to sit this one out, but I might next week, because this episode was still pretty bad. Not as bad, but still pretty bad.
Again, the villains this season are just terrible. They’re no fun to watch, they don’t do anything for our heroes, each side is mostly their own worst enemy rather than each other, and all the villains are terrible actors (also, why did Hale decide to lose the uniform? Who decided she needed to be a more feminine villain?).
Not to say I really like the good guys right now either. Skye remains a terrible leader, except on the one thing the show seems to be saying she is wrong about. Because they *can’t* trust Fitz right now, he *should* stay locked up, you *should* treat his ideas with a least enough suspicion to double check them before enacting them. This, “we’re immortal and can’t fail because time loop” thing is fucking stupid, if any decision they make leads to the end they saw because it’s the decision they already made, then what’s the point of any of it? Also, May is just as immortal as any of these morons, since she’s supposed to go on and raise Robin after the fall, but you don’t see her being an idiot.
But Daisy (and you know what, I kept calling her Skye out of respect for thinking she was better than her asshole parents and should have claimed her own identity rather than following their ideas for her, but right now I hate her enough that she doesn’t deserve me making the effort anymore, I’ll call her whatever strikes my fancy at any given time rather than giving a damn what she should be called) is wrong to bring a child into this. A child that she should care more about than the others, because she was the one supposedly dedicated to protecting Robin and her mom after the dad died. I’m glad we came back to this for May’s story, but Daisy doesn’t seem to have any compassion for a child who has seen the end of the world and so much death.
Basically, right now I hate everyone except May, Mack, mostly Coulson, and kind of Talbot. The rest are a bunch of morons and/or assholes that I kind of (or not so kind of) want to die.
Legends of Tomorrow 3x...I don’t care
Fuck you Legends, I’m done. Sure I’d be pissed about the one thing I was bound to hate, but did you have to write an episode entirely composed of distilled suck?
I’m just...you’re dead to me.
(Yeah, I’m surprised I didn’t add anything to this reaction since it aired, but I can’t bring myself to get into detail about the 80 billion ways it pissed me off.)
Arrow 6x18
I may still be a little pissed from Legends, because this was a decent episode that in a normal week I would spend a lot of time unpacking the several thought-provoking things in it. But right now I’m just really confused because why is Oliver deciding to make the dumbest possible choice that he’s learned repeatedly and painfully is the dumbest possible choice he can ever make? This is literally exactly the story we got at the start of s3, if you’re going to have him go through all the character development since then, why would we repeat the exact same plot point?
Also, I was pretty sure something was off as soon as Felicity supposedly walked out on him; the only reason I hesitated was because I felt like last episode was off too especially once they started dealing with Vertigo, so I wasn’t sure what conclusion to jump to this time.
Agents of SHIELD 5x17
Well, AoS, you have done something truly surprising; I now care more about Talbot than I do anything else on the show. I’m weak, I was told there would be Philinda stuff this episode so I went ahead and watched it; and it was better than the last couple episodes even if everyone is still acting like morons, but it couldn’t quite make me care about anything but poor broken Glenn Talbot (although I also sometimes care about Piper).
The fact that I don’t really want to talk about it much doesn’t seem like a good sign, but I really don’t see much worth talking about and I’m less in the mood to bitch yet again about the same points I keep coming back to.
Arrow 6x19
I don’t feel like there was still any bleed over from how pissed I was last week, so it’s entirely this episode that makes me say: that sucked. They found a way to make Diaz even less interesting than before (I appreciate that he isn’t trying to literally destroy the city, but that’s basically the closest thing to interesting he’s ever been) and make Oliver an even bigger asshole than before for his ridiculous back to basics plan. Also, they have done the rarely successful move of making me miss Laurel because I hate Black Siren that much; I’ve never been the biggest Katie Cassidy fan but she seems to be getting worse.
Since I doubt Supergirl is going to magically make me reinvested in the whole verse when I get to catching up (didn’t I say I’d probably fail to catch up before it came back?) Arrow is presently supporting the level at which I come back next season (I’ve already downgraded Flash a couple levels, Supergirl at least one, and the only reason I can’t say I rage-quit Legends is because I don’t know if that rage will survive to next fall, but it might, especially if I’m not holding on to anything else on these shows). And if it keeps going like this, I may be in the market for a whole batch of new shows to watch next year.
Agents of SHIELD 5x18
So...the show knows Daisy is completely wrong and Yoyo is right, right? Also I just hate Ruby so much that I’ve been cheering for her death for weeks because that actress is terrible and couldn’t carry a single scene she was ever in. And Hale’s actress seems to be getting worse with every episode too so I still feel absolutely nothing. I feel more for Werner that I do either of them, and that’s like maybe 8% caring.
Also, FitzSimmons are terrible. It’s not that I don’t get it, and yes it’s easy for me to say this from here, but this the fate of the entire frelling world, you have to make the hard call. They’re better than this, they’re better people and they much better SHIELD agents.
And seriously show, stop pretending like Deke is at all interesting. Or that I give a single shit about him and Daisy. That scene was interesting only for Mack and Coulson when we get insight into them, and that’s about three or four lines. Mack clearly wants to ask what Coulson is talking about, but the scene has to be about Deke for...reasons.
Let’s see, who do I like in this one...May, Coulson, Mack, Yoyo (more or less), less Talbot than I expected to but still some. Now if Deke, Hale, and Daisy could all die in a fire that would be swell (I might be satisfied with the show just not pretending like leading a mission or two makes Daisy ready to lead all of SHIELD, and if she would keep her fucking mouth shut about Yoyo making the only rational decision in all this; but I know the show will insist that if only they’d listened to her it somehow would have been the right thing, gods I hate her more every week even though she was kind of better written for the first half to 2/3 of this one).
Funny thing is, while it was going on I was more invested than I have been the last couple weeks, but when it came to writing about it, I feel like I still hate everything. Also, I almost certainly will wait until after seeing Infinity War before watching the next episode, and I don’t see movies opening day, usually not even opening week, so I may finally actually back away from this show I’m so mad at.
Jane the Virgin 4x17
As this is the season finale I think I’ll offer a few thoughts. I’ve watched this season in fits and starts so I’ve rarely built up any momentum with it, but it was a solid season that unlike most of my super hero shows apparently, didn’t piss me off at any point to the point where I’m having doubts about continuing next season. I still don’t know if it will ever go back to appointment viewing (was it ever, I’ve kind of forgotten?), but I’ll be back.
I do want to know who JR shot (and for all that was a long way to go for that joke, I still laughed), but the final revelation? I’ve literally been expecting it since Michael died, especially since they jumped forward immediately afterward so that his return would have a new status quo to mess up. And the more Jane and Rafael got settled into planning their future, the more I figured this bombshell was coming. Granted there may be some next level twist where it’s not really Michael (literally, or certainly an amnesia arc has been foreshadowed); but I was so sure this was what Rose had said that I found Raf kind of creepy at times this episode (sure have sex with you girlfriend whose husband is actually alive). I do feel bad for him looking back on specially the party when Jane is talking about their future together and he knows he it won’t happen, not now, maybe not ever; because in a world without Michael she’s ready to move forward, but Raf knows that’s not really what the world is, and that future that he has wanted longer than she has is already gone. I’m glad he did (mostly) the right thing and went and found Michael, I feel like a few years ago Raf wouldn’t have been that unselfish, at least not so quickly.
I still want someone to acknowledge that Rose is the reason Michael died (even if he apparently didn’t). He died because of the effects of her shooting him. Jane has always been far too calm about the Rose situation for my taste considering that fact.
Legends of Tomorrow 3x17
I liked that one a fair amount...when it wasn’t entirely frustrating. I thought it was a better use of Darhk...except that it still wants me to care about him. I liked the Amaya plot...or at least I think I did, I also kind of feel like I’m going to eventually decide that I didn’t. I love that Nate eventually decided to just say screw the timeline, this is the right thing to do; except that I still think this relationship was pretty poorly handled especially this season. It’s a much better use of Rip...except when it isn’t.
Look, you all know I’m mostly going to talk about Rip, so might as well just do it.
For one thing, I wish the show would remember that Rip was a father. If anyone was going to sympathize with Damien in this, it would be the man who threw away a lifetime of duty to try and break time and save his family. Now he probably also hates Damien more than any of them besides Sara, but we also aren’t acknowledging that. And considering Damien has to know about Rip’s family history, I feel like he would he appeal to that.
After the first confrontation with Darhk, all I could think was that the one person on the ship who shouldn’t be the one who talks to Sara was Ava. Ray knew Laurel, Zari’s lost a brother, Sara would probably be quite comfortable ranting at Mick while she worked things out; and Rip probably knows Sara better than any of them. They did however find the one way to make it okay with me that it’s Ava; Rip told her to go do it. Much like when he told Sara to be her own council at the end of last season, Rip knows Sara needs to talk and someone needs to go to her, and the two of them don’t really seem to have worked things out, and he figures she would like to talk to Ava. So by making Rip a factor in why it’s Ava, I become...if not exactly okay with it a lot better with it. Then Sara and Ava spend most of their time arguing about Rip, because Rip has always been the other strand in this relationship.
Which is why the later stuff with Sara and Ava doesn’t work. I’ve complained already about the idea that Ava’s love brought Sara back, when her words were pure Rip (btw, when did Rip find out about the procession by the death totem, he’s way too casual about that). Back at the start of the season, I didn’t ship Sara/Ava by any means, but I liked their dynamic at times, even if 90% of the time I only cared as related to Rip; what I don’t see is love. Too much of their relationship, even in this episode, is still related to Rip.
On the other hand I really like the Rip and Ava scene we do get. It would be better if I really cared about Ava as a character, but even the way it is I did feel it. It’s a rough situation that I do find it sympathetic. I also kind of love the idea that Rip’s favorite time agent is someone he can’t lose, that he can replace if something happens to her. That isn’t true with the Legends, if they get hurt he loses them. And I kind of still think he casts her as a replacement Sara, which is interesting that she is also replaceable, while Sara isn’t.
And by god he loves Sara. Just about everything in the scene with the death totem is so perfectly Rip loving Sara. It’s quiet, but it screams. I can’t even pick moments it was all so shippy.
Also, welcome back Rip, he dug the old Rip clothes out of...well the fabricator, but they’re his old look while he runs coms on the ship. Not a bit of agent blue in it or tie in sight, it’s all space drifter, and I have missed it.
Arrow 6x17
I liked parts of this episode, but overall I’m not sure how I feel. I’m getting a little tired of this season’s commitment to supposedly calling Oliver on his mistakes, but usually just making the other parties look kind of dumb in the process. Because Oliver has made plenty of mistakes, this season and across the last six seasons, but the reasons people are leaving him now ends up feeling wrong.
The fractured team in and of itself I understood, as I’ve said repeatedly there always were differences between the old team and the new; but them splitting up over surveillance just doesn’t seem very reasonable (when someone *had* betrayed the team); especially since they’ve turned around and kept right on surveilling people on suspicions with sometimes less cause. Digg is probably right that Oliver is spreading himself too thin, but Oliver has been mayor for going on two years now and last season Digg was all about Oliver getting back in the hood to go out and help people.
On one hand I like times when the characters just cut loose and go at each other, but the feel of this one was all wrong. Oliver and Digg have fought before, and it’s gotten personal before, but not like this. When they finally just went too far, it didn’t feel like a heat of the moment attack, it felt deliberately going too far. And after Digg makes the first move over the line, I almost believe that Oliver would respond in kind...but I don’t think he’d go that far without knowing it was WAY too far.
And...well this can’t be the first time it’s been an issue (in fact, I’m not even sure it’s the first time I’ve complained about it this season, and I know it came up at times last year), but it’s an episode that made me very aware of what’s been a growing problem. Does Felicity even have a character anymore? Felicity and John have been friends almost as long as him and Oliver, and yet this episode gives her nothing to do in their difficulties. She’s basically just become an extension of Oliver and the person who gets things done on the computers (going to go look for the needle in a haystack...oh look I found it).
As much as I always love seeing Lyla, because I like her and I generally approve of the show remembering she exists, when they do remember she exists it almost makes it more obvious how often they forget her. I also still think the Arrow writers are still pissed off about Flashpoint (or realize that their audience has some people like me who are) and just continue to keep JJ offscreen and away from anything, possibly hoping at some point they can just slot baby-would-be-toddler-now Sara back where she should be.
I kind of notice how little I cared about any of the other plotlines going on this time.
Agents of SHIELD 5x16
So...I couldn’t bring myself to sit this one out, but I might next week, because this episode was still pretty bad. Not as bad, but still pretty bad.
Again, the villains this season are just terrible. They’re no fun to watch, they don’t do anything for our heroes, each side is mostly their own worst enemy rather than each other, and all the villains are terrible actors (also, why did Hale decide to lose the uniform? Who decided she needed to be a more feminine villain?).
Not to say I really like the good guys right now either. Skye remains a terrible leader, except on the one thing the show seems to be saying she is wrong about. Because they *can’t* trust Fitz right now, he *should* stay locked up, you *should* treat his ideas with a least enough suspicion to double check them before enacting them. This, “we’re immortal and can’t fail because time loop” thing is fucking stupid, if any decision they make leads to the end they saw because it’s the decision they already made, then what’s the point of any of it? Also, May is just as immortal as any of these morons, since she’s supposed to go on and raise Robin after the fall, but you don’t see her being an idiot.
But Daisy (and you know what, I kept calling her Skye out of respect for thinking she was better than her asshole parents and should have claimed her own identity rather than following their ideas for her, but right now I hate her enough that she doesn’t deserve me making the effort anymore, I’ll call her whatever strikes my fancy at any given time rather than giving a damn what she should be called) is wrong to bring a child into this. A child that she should care more about than the others, because she was the one supposedly dedicated to protecting Robin and her mom after the dad died. I’m glad we came back to this for May’s story, but Daisy doesn’t seem to have any compassion for a child who has seen the end of the world and so much death.
Basically, right now I hate everyone except May, Mack, mostly Coulson, and kind of Talbot. The rest are a bunch of morons and/or assholes that I kind of (or not so kind of) want to die.
Legends of Tomorrow 3x...I don’t care
Fuck you Legends, I’m done. Sure I’d be pissed about the one thing I was bound to hate, but did you have to write an episode entirely composed of distilled suck?
I’m just...you’re dead to me.
(Yeah, I’m surprised I didn’t add anything to this reaction since it aired, but I can’t bring myself to get into detail about the 80 billion ways it pissed me off.)
Arrow 6x18
I may still be a little pissed from Legends, because this was a decent episode that in a normal week I would spend a lot of time unpacking the several thought-provoking things in it. But right now I’m just really confused because why is Oliver deciding to make the dumbest possible choice that he’s learned repeatedly and painfully is the dumbest possible choice he can ever make? This is literally exactly the story we got at the start of s3, if you’re going to have him go through all the character development since then, why would we repeat the exact same plot point?
Also, I was pretty sure something was off as soon as Felicity supposedly walked out on him; the only reason I hesitated was because I felt like last episode was off too especially once they started dealing with Vertigo, so I wasn’t sure what conclusion to jump to this time.
Agents of SHIELD 5x17
Well, AoS, you have done something truly surprising; I now care more about Talbot than I do anything else on the show. I’m weak, I was told there would be Philinda stuff this episode so I went ahead and watched it; and it was better than the last couple episodes even if everyone is still acting like morons, but it couldn’t quite make me care about anything but poor broken Glenn Talbot (although I also sometimes care about Piper).
The fact that I don’t really want to talk about it much doesn’t seem like a good sign, but I really don’t see much worth talking about and I’m less in the mood to bitch yet again about the same points I keep coming back to.
Arrow 6x19
I don’t feel like there was still any bleed over from how pissed I was last week, so it’s entirely this episode that makes me say: that sucked. They found a way to make Diaz even less interesting than before (I appreciate that he isn’t trying to literally destroy the city, but that’s basically the closest thing to interesting he’s ever been) and make Oliver an even bigger asshole than before for his ridiculous back to basics plan. Also, they have done the rarely successful move of making me miss Laurel because I hate Black Siren that much; I’ve never been the biggest Katie Cassidy fan but she seems to be getting worse.
Since I doubt Supergirl is going to magically make me reinvested in the whole verse when I get to catching up (didn’t I say I’d probably fail to catch up before it came back?) Arrow is presently supporting the level at which I come back next season (I’ve already downgraded Flash a couple levels, Supergirl at least one, and the only reason I can’t say I rage-quit Legends is because I don’t know if that rage will survive to next fall, but it might, especially if I’m not holding on to anything else on these shows). And if it keeps going like this, I may be in the market for a whole batch of new shows to watch next year.
Agents of SHIELD 5x18
So...the show knows Daisy is completely wrong and Yoyo is right, right? Also I just hate Ruby so much that I’ve been cheering for her death for weeks because that actress is terrible and couldn’t carry a single scene she was ever in. And Hale’s actress seems to be getting worse with every episode too so I still feel absolutely nothing. I feel more for Werner that I do either of them, and that’s like maybe 8% caring.
Also, FitzSimmons are terrible. It’s not that I don’t get it, and yes it’s easy for me to say this from here, but this the fate of the entire frelling world, you have to make the hard call. They’re better than this, they’re better people and they much better SHIELD agents.
And seriously show, stop pretending like Deke is at all interesting. Or that I give a single shit about him and Daisy. That scene was interesting only for Mack and Coulson when we get insight into them, and that’s about three or four lines. Mack clearly wants to ask what Coulson is talking about, but the scene has to be about Deke for...reasons.
Let’s see, who do I like in this one...May, Coulson, Mack, Yoyo (more or less), less Talbot than I expected to but still some. Now if Deke, Hale, and Daisy could all die in a fire that would be swell (I might be satisfied with the show just not pretending like leading a mission or two makes Daisy ready to lead all of SHIELD, and if she would keep her fucking mouth shut about Yoyo making the only rational decision in all this; but I know the show will insist that if only they’d listened to her it somehow would have been the right thing, gods I hate her more every week even though she was kind of better written for the first half to 2/3 of this one).
Funny thing is, while it was going on I was more invested than I have been the last couple weeks, but when it came to writing about it, I feel like I still hate everything. Also, I almost certainly will wait until after seeing Infinity War before watching the next episode, and I don’t see movies opening day, usually not even opening week, so I may finally actually back away from this show I’m so mad at.
Jane the Virgin 4x17
As this is the season finale I think I’ll offer a few thoughts. I’ve watched this season in fits and starts so I’ve rarely built up any momentum with it, but it was a solid season that unlike most of my super hero shows apparently, didn’t piss me off at any point to the point where I’m having doubts about continuing next season. I still don’t know if it will ever go back to appointment viewing (was it ever, I’ve kind of forgotten?), but I’ll be back.
I do want to know who JR shot (and for all that was a long way to go for that joke, I still laughed), but the final revelation? I’ve literally been expecting it since Michael died, especially since they jumped forward immediately afterward so that his return would have a new status quo to mess up. And the more Jane and Rafael got settled into planning their future, the more I figured this bombshell was coming. Granted there may be some next level twist where it’s not really Michael (literally, or certainly an amnesia arc has been foreshadowed); but I was so sure this was what Rose had said that I found Raf kind of creepy at times this episode (sure have sex with you girlfriend whose husband is actually alive). I do feel bad for him looking back on specially the party when Jane is talking about their future together and he knows he it won’t happen, not now, maybe not ever; because in a world without Michael she’s ready to move forward, but Raf knows that’s not really what the world is, and that future that he has wanted longer than she has is already gone. I’m glad he did (mostly) the right thing and went and found Michael, I feel like a few years ago Raf wouldn’t have been that unselfish, at least not so quickly.
I still want someone to acknowledge that Rose is the reason Michael died (even if he apparently didn’t). He died because of the effects of her shooting him. Jane has always been far too calm about the Rose situation for my taste considering that fact.
