You know what you *don't* do to someone you love?...hand them over to their worst enemy to be tortured.
Yeah, that part REALLY confused me. The torture stuff was awful but at least for these two I could fanwank that to them...well it’s Lexi’s way of “saving” people and they were just carrying on the tradition. It’s clearly not a great idea and I’m never convinced it actually works, but while I would never forgive them for it I could see where it came from in character. But sending Katherine in doesn’t make sense from a logic OR character stance. And yeah, the worst part is they knew all the reasons Elena-with-emotions would hate, blame, and fear Kat and that’s just not a good idea to put them together.
The absolute worst part...Elena won't be allowed to express any anger towards the Salvatores.
Nope, that was never going to happen. Sigh.
However, what I've seen over the course of the last few episodes doesn't strike me as extreme honesty as much as extreme cruelty...with no underlying motivation
It’s been really all over the map in terms of that, but yeah that’s about the long and short of it. It didn’t really have a point in the story, and most of her actions didn’t seem to have one in character. Even when they did have a point it was really inconsistent; there seemed to be a lot of bridge burning going on but it wasn’t clear why. If I’m being REALLY generous, that could be the point, that having goals and desires implies emotion...except the bridge burning was too much of a goal to just be random ‘whatever I don’t care.’
When did Matt become more important to Elena than Bonnie and/or Caroline?
Hmm, I need a minute to puzzle through this, because that wasn’t where my mind went so I don’t think that’s what they were trying to say...let me think.
Okay, I think there are a few factors in why Matt’s death pushed her to turn it back on even after all she’d done to the girls.
For one, as much as I’d rather not give them any credit, Elena’s defenses were weak after everything the trolls had been doing to her. Physically obviously and her guards against letting her emotions back in.
For two, Matt was an innocent in all this. Bonnie and Caroline were people *she* attacked for reasons her emotionless mind considered valid. Making some kind of point being her primary motivation but it was all she needed at the time. So it’s not so much an idea that she loves Matt more than the others, but she considers him...outside of all this mess and she doesn’t want him to be drawn into it because of how likely he is to die if he is.
Three: Damon killed Matt because of her, which would ring up a flood of many many emotions that she hadn’t been prepared for. With the others again it was her thoughts/intent so she had time to psych herself up for it, fully reinforced the walls against emotion related to what she was doing and of course we never saw her having done it and what might have happened if she had. With Matt, and her weakened defenses, she had no chance to get herself set up to Not Care in the face of what was happening.
Also, Elena is HIGHLY susceptible to guilt for things where she had little control over what happened where she actually demonstrates less of a guilty conscience when she could control things (I refer you to not being able to handle Esther planning to kill off the Originals, but once Team Mystic Falls was on the offensive trying to do the same thing she could seemingly easily avoid such moral questions).
I don’t know if all that quite makes it work, but take all of it and add that I still ship the two like...not burning but like a slow simmering warmth and I can make it work in my head.
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Re: season of suck
Date: 2013-05-11 05:35 am (UTC)Yeah, that part REALLY confused me. The torture stuff was awful but at least for these two I could fanwank that to them...well it’s Lexi’s way of “saving” people and they were just carrying on the tradition. It’s clearly not a great idea and I’m never convinced it actually works, but while I would never forgive them for it I could see where it came from in character. But sending Katherine in doesn’t make sense from a logic OR character stance. And yeah, the worst part is they knew all the reasons Elena-with-emotions would hate, blame, and fear Kat and that’s just not a good idea to put them together.
The absolute worst part...Elena won't be allowed to express any anger towards the Salvatores.
Nope, that was never going to happen. Sigh.
However, what I've seen over the course of the last few episodes doesn't strike me as extreme honesty as much as extreme cruelty...with no underlying motivation
It’s been really all over the map in terms of that, but yeah that’s about the long and short of it. It didn’t really have a point in the story, and most of her actions didn’t seem to have one in character. Even when they did have a point it was really inconsistent; there seemed to be a lot of bridge burning going on but it wasn’t clear why. If I’m being REALLY generous, that could be the point, that having goals and desires implies emotion...except the bridge burning was too much of a goal to just be random ‘whatever I don’t care.’
When did Matt become more important to Elena than Bonnie and/or Caroline?
Hmm, I need a minute to puzzle through this, because that wasn’t where my mind went so I don’t think that’s what they were trying to say...let me think.
Okay, I think there are a few factors in why Matt’s death pushed her to turn it back on even after all she’d done to the girls.
For one, as much as I’d rather not give them any credit, Elena’s defenses were weak after everything the trolls had been doing to her. Physically obviously and her guards against letting her emotions back in.
For two, Matt was an innocent in all this. Bonnie and Caroline were people *she* attacked for reasons her emotionless mind considered valid. Making some kind of point being her primary motivation but it was all she needed at the time. So it’s not so much an idea that she loves Matt more than the others, but she considers him...outside of all this mess and she doesn’t want him to be drawn into it because of how likely he is to die if he is.
Three: Damon killed Matt because of her, which would ring up a flood of many many emotions that she hadn’t been prepared for. With the others again it was her thoughts/intent so she had time to psych herself up for it, fully reinforced the walls against emotion related to what she was doing and of course we never saw her having done it and what might have happened if she had. With Matt, and her weakened defenses, she had no chance to get herself set up to Not Care in the face of what was happening.
Also, Elena is HIGHLY susceptible to guilt for things where she had little control over what happened where she actually demonstrates less of a guilty conscience when she could control things (I refer you to not being able to handle Esther planning to kill off the Originals, but once Team Mystic Falls was on the offensive trying to do the same thing she could seemingly easily avoid such moral questions).
I don’t know if all that quite makes it work, but take all of it and add that I still ship the two like...not burning but like a slow simmering warmth and I can make it work in my head.