I wonder if Guy showing some small bit of UNDERSTANDING without remorse would have appeased her somewhat.
I think it would have meant some to her, maybe enough to put off selling him out to Prince John if not enough to make her like him really, it might have been giving her something that registered on her measurement of Guy humanity. In some ways I think that scene could have been the beginnings of a conversation on Guy's part about why he did what he did in that instance, asking her if she really knows what the alternative was (or at least could have been, and in Guy's mind worst situation probably takes the role of would have been). Could have been that, but these two characters are going to have a really hard time talking to each other like adults though.
Guy at this point sees anything along the lines of "I'm sorry you were unhappy" as a admission of guilt on his part.
I don't think she realizes the enormity of what it would mean to him to give her that, or maybe she does in which case no wonder she expects him to disappoint her. But I still think what she wants is smaller than what it means to Guy, not in words but in the spirit it would take to get there. She thinks she's asking the impossible of Guy because he's too proud to say that too her when the reason it's impossible is, again, bigger to him.
What you said about Isabella romanticizing her childhood more makes a ton of sense, and it might also explain why she was so ready to romanticize her possible life with Robin.
Yeah, I was really thinking about her dream life with Robin there, because I can kind of see that being her dream about how things might have been. Married to a good man even if they had to live poor they'd be happy and have beautiful children together. But I'm also not sure she, unlike Guy I'm certain, has considered the trade offs of that. They would be poor, they wouldn't have money or security, they would have to work the land themselves and they may not have enough to take care of all those beautiful children. She believes it would have been the good version of peasant life and I'm not saying it couldn't have been, but it comes off as a bit romanticized.
And in his mind, her inability to stay in a horrid situation was weakness. (It has to be... if her leaving is admirable, then Guy is faced with the fact that he should have left the Sheriff years ago.)
Exactly, if it's impossible to make the best of a situation like theirs and one needs to break away in order to find something better then...he's been wrong all this time and everything he's done hasn't been making the best of a bad situation but only prolonging it. And, just to say it, in which case killing Marian means even less than it ever has, and I don't think he's able to justify that one as it.
Looks like this came off a lot better than I was afraid it did, thanks for the feedback and glad it worked for you too.
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Date: 2009-05-25 04:34 am (UTC)I think it would have meant some to her, maybe enough to put off selling him out to Prince John if not enough to make her like him really, it might have been giving her something that registered on her measurement of Guy humanity. In some ways I think that scene could have been the beginnings of a conversation on Guy's part about why he did what he did in that instance, asking her if she really knows what the alternative was (or at least could have been, and in Guy's mind worst situation probably takes the role of would have been). Could have been that, but these two characters are going to have a really hard time talking to each other like adults though.
Guy at this point sees anything along the lines of "I'm sorry you were unhappy" as a admission of guilt on his part.
I don't think she realizes the enormity of what it would mean to him to give her that, or maybe she does in which case no wonder she expects him to disappoint her. But I still think what she wants is smaller than what it means to Guy, not in words but in the spirit it would take to get there. She thinks she's asking the impossible of Guy because he's too proud to say that too her when the reason it's impossible is, again, bigger to him.
What you said about Isabella romanticizing her childhood more makes a ton of sense, and it might also explain why she was so ready to romanticize her possible life with Robin.
Yeah, I was really thinking about her dream life with Robin there, because I can kind of see that being her dream about how things might have been. Married to a good man even if they had to live poor they'd be happy and have beautiful children together. But I'm also not sure she, unlike Guy I'm certain, has considered the trade offs of that. They would be poor, they wouldn't have money or security, they would have to work the land themselves and they may not have enough to take care of all those beautiful children. She believes it would have been the good version of peasant life and I'm not saying it couldn't have been, but it comes off as a bit romanticized.
And in his mind, her inability to stay in a horrid situation was weakness. (It has to be... if her leaving is admirable, then Guy is faced with the fact that he should have left the Sheriff years ago.)
Exactly, if it's impossible to make the best of a situation like theirs and one needs to break away in order to find something better then...he's been wrong all this time and everything he's done hasn't been making the best of a bad situation but only prolonging it. And, just to say it, in which case killing Marian means even less than it ever has, and I don't think he's able to justify that one as it.
Looks like this came off a lot better than I was afraid it did, thanks for the feedback and glad it worked for you too.