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jedi_of_urth) wrote2008-08-01 08:46 pm
jedi_of_urth) wrote2008-08-01 08:46 pm
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Donna thoughts
You know, I sometimes find myself realizing that while I do love Donna, I just don't...think about her much.
Thing is...Donna is amazing, she's a great companion and friend to the Doctor, she's very real and wonderful, she gets such a tragic end, and yet I find that for me, I treat her like an afterthought.
I loved Donna, but never exactly clicked with her, but neither was it the disharmony I had with Martha. I guess Donna is more like Jack with me, I care about them, I hate Jack being left in PotW and Donna's memory being wiped in JE, I think they're at they're best with the Doctor and wish they could/would have stayed longer, but...they're not Rose.
On some level I do think it is that I gave so much love to Rose that all other companions are going to, to greater or lesser extents, be 'not-Rose'; and I watched the character I loved so much in Doomsday and so was never willing to give so much to another one. And maybe that's why Old Schoolers often tell people like me to "move on" because at some point you start getting numb to it, the show goes on but it doesn't go back.
And yet the only thing that I truly cried over in JE was Donna's end, the send off to Rose and Ten II left me befuzzuled but not in tears (haven't rewatched it yet, might now), so I hadn't become numb to RTD going for the gut-punch.
But I don't feel the burning need to write fix-it Donna gets her memories back fic the way I STILL want to write Doomsday fix-its, or explore the Ten II/Rose dynamic, or what the hell Ten I was thinking through that, or write about how Martha gets a frelling clue in season 3 (or afterwards) how so very in love with Rose the Doctor is, or about Jack's years on Earth, or crack fic involving Doctor/Rose/Master/Lucy dinner parties, or...any number of things that I find myself thinking about more than Donna
I HATE the ending Donna got, but I guess it felt the most final of the ends. I wonder if Doomsday would have done this to me if it hadn't been BAD WOLF Bay which for me was always about them finding each other again. I doubt it, but I'm just saying.
Or maybe...or maybe Ten I doesn't deserve her any more, maybe I just don't know how Donna would have understood what he did at the end of JE. Time Lorded Donna did I guess, but she would have had to look at Ten I everyday and it's kind of his own fault. He had his family all around him there and in the end he lets them all go/sends them away/walks away himself.
And on some level I suspect that it has to do with Moffat, I'd rather Donna had her memory wiped and went back to being normal with the ability to become awesome if the need arises (we know she can even "just" as Donna) that let the Moff get his grubby little hands on her.
Nope, still no hard conclusions.
Thing is...Donna is amazing, she's a great companion and friend to the Doctor, she's very real and wonderful, she gets such a tragic end, and yet I find that for me, I treat her like an afterthought.
I loved Donna, but never exactly clicked with her, but neither was it the disharmony I had with Martha. I guess Donna is more like Jack with me, I care about them, I hate Jack being left in PotW and Donna's memory being wiped in JE, I think they're at they're best with the Doctor and wish they could/would have stayed longer, but...they're not Rose.
On some level I do think it is that I gave so much love to Rose that all other companions are going to, to greater or lesser extents, be 'not-Rose'; and I watched the character I loved so much in Doomsday and so was never willing to give so much to another one. And maybe that's why Old Schoolers often tell people like me to "move on" because at some point you start getting numb to it, the show goes on but it doesn't go back.
And yet the only thing that I truly cried over in JE was Donna's end, the send off to Rose and Ten II left me befuzzuled but not in tears (haven't rewatched it yet, might now), so I hadn't become numb to RTD going for the gut-punch.
But I don't feel the burning need to write fix-it Donna gets her memories back fic the way I STILL want to write Doomsday fix-its, or explore the Ten II/Rose dynamic, or what the hell Ten I was thinking through that, or write about how Martha gets a frelling clue in season 3 (or afterwards) how so very in love with Rose the Doctor is, or about Jack's years on Earth, or crack fic involving Doctor/Rose/Master/Lucy dinner parties, or...any number of things that I find myself thinking about more than Donna
I HATE the ending Donna got, but I guess it felt the most final of the ends. I wonder if Doomsday would have done this to me if it hadn't been BAD WOLF Bay which for me was always about them finding each other again. I doubt it, but I'm just saying.
Or maybe...or maybe Ten I doesn't deserve her any more, maybe I just don't know how Donna would have understood what he did at the end of JE. Time Lorded Donna did I guess, but she would have had to look at Ten I everyday and it's kind of his own fault. He had his family all around him there and in the end he lets them all go/sends them away/walks away himself.
And on some level I suspect that it has to do with Moffat, I'd rather Donna had her memory wiped and went back to being normal with the ability to become awesome if the need arises (we know she can even "just" as Donna) that let the Moff get his grubby little hands on her.
Nope, still no hard conclusions.
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Rose is still the most complex companion that Who (new or old) has given us. Because she never stops growing, I guess. We got to see Donna grow, twice, but with generally the same pattern. Rose is... Rose. I don't think there'll ever be another one like her. Certainly not while Moffat's writing.
I do agree that I don't want Moffat to write Donna again. I hated what he did to her (and the Doctor & Donna relationship) in SitL/FotD. Ick.
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That's a good way to put it I think. I love her as part of the Doctor's story, or present to Doctor/Rose shenanigans but on her own...well I still love her I suppose because she's still Donna but...well Donna is Donna; she awesome, amazing and there to spice things up but not as much of a...story as some of the others.
Rose is... Rose. I don't think there'll ever be another one like her. Certainly not while Moffat's writing.
Sure as hell not while Moffat's at the helm. But I also think it's going to be a while until the show needs another Rose. I think Rose has been more my view into the Doctor in season 3&4 than she even was in season 1&2 (baring "Rose" obviously) because she taught me how to see the Doctor. I need to be retaught.
If I was planning on watching season 5 I'd be dreading the type of companion Moffat will invent, and then how little importance she'll probably have. I'll be curious to read about whether non-Moffat episodes manage to deal with it to some extent though.
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