Further points for why I don't do much with TVD fandom at large. I would never have guessed people were turning him into that big a woobie. And I enjoy - well that may not be the right word - Klaus and his bouncing between villain and woobie-ish...not that I've figured out how to reconcile those sides. But I did add Klaus and Tyler under my larger umbrella of TEAM NOT HE-MAN DOUCHEBAGS. It would be Team no manpires but...Elijah.