And then going forward, all those issues that impacted even his relationship with her (no matter all he let himself feel, the issues cropped up) are still there. He hasn't grown past them (Moffat's just taken over the writing), he's just added new ones on top of those old ones. Plus his feelings for *her* specifically are still there, making it really hard for me top see him romantically interested in someone else for a long time. I'm not denying that one day he could, just he needs time.
This is actually something I know I have different thoughts on than a lot of fandom, even Doctor/Rose shippers, but when people use that he's a Time Lord and eventually he'll have to move on I...don't agree exactly. I think he could given time yeah, but I think being a Time Lord is the reason I have a hard time seeing him doing it. All of his issues about relationships and the length of time they might last are there because of the Time Lord factor, humans might have some level of it but not to the level he does, especially now.
I agree, but really the only other ship I see being viable for the Doctor, given all the reasons that you have stated, is more along the lines of a What-Could-Have-Been with the Master. I know this isn't your cuppa, but I'm just saying that my Doctor/Master shipping is something much more along the lines of Daniel/Rose than you'd think, in that I consider it a sort of AU way to reconcile a lot of the feelings I have about all of that.
Not only that, but the Master was a part of his life long before Rose was, and while a very large part of it for the last several centuries in his time line, at least, has been a negative relationship, there are many, many things in Old Who canon that would tend toward supporting chemistry between them, even beyond the chemistry that RTD himself inserted as a result of his being a fan of the idea. RTD has said both at different points in time that Rose was the Doctor's soulmate and that the Master was "so very close to being" his soulmate. And I have to admit that I'm very much on that wavelength at this point.
While I also continue to hold a bunch of ideas about a negating Ten II and giving Rose her happy-for-her-ever-after ending with the Doctor, and having Ten not repeatedly shoot himself in the foot, I also for a bunch of Old Series reasons and based upon EoT kind of want to also have an AU where the Master doesn't die and he and the Doctor get to go and live in peace and have what the Doctor briefly offered in EoT2, whether it ever actually took on its slashy subtext in true form or not. Although, this comes as much from my feelings about the Master as a character as about the Doctor, though I like to think I'm being fair to both of them in my fanon/assessment.
Also, it is to be said that you may have a point on the nature of his relationship with Rose being very different and unique and special, because while Time Lords are capable of sexuality (and indeed the Master and the Rani both seem to exhibit a kind of hypersexuality that's related to their respective mental problems), it's sort of my personal fanon that intimate relationships between Time Lords were unnecessary as a result of their means of reproduction and with the kind of society we see the Time Lords to have had, I actually imagine that being too intimate, even with a spouse-like-partner/mate/whatever, would have been frowned upon, since the Time Lords were kind of like an entire race of even odder Jedi, except for renegades like the Doctor and his rivals and enemy-Time Lords. Therefore, even if two Time Lords were arguably what we'd call in love with each other, such a relationship probably wouldn't entirely resemble what we think of when we think of relationships, at least not at very first, due to a long line of strict tradition and the things you were saying about their lifespans and emotional issues.
I digress again.
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Date: 2010-07-12 09:39 pm (UTC)This is actually something I know I have different thoughts on than a lot of fandom, even Doctor/Rose shippers, but when people use that he's a Time Lord and eventually he'll have to move on I...don't agree exactly. I think he could given time yeah, but I think being a Time Lord is the reason I have a hard time seeing him doing it. All of his issues about relationships and the length of time they might last are there because of the Time Lord factor, humans might have some level of it but not to the level he does, especially now.
I agree, but really the only other ship I see being viable for the Doctor, given all the reasons that you have stated, is more along the lines of a What-Could-Have-Been with the Master. I know this isn't your cuppa, but I'm just saying that my Doctor/Master shipping is something much more along the lines of Daniel/Rose than you'd think, in that I consider it a sort of AU way to reconcile a lot of the feelings I have about all of that.
Not only that, but the Master was a part of his life long before Rose was, and while a very large part of it for the last several centuries in his time line, at least, has been a negative relationship, there are many, many things in Old Who canon that would tend toward supporting chemistry between them, even beyond the chemistry that RTD himself inserted as a result of his being a fan of the idea. RTD has said both at different points in time that Rose was the Doctor's soulmate and that the Master was "so very close to being" his soulmate. And I have to admit that I'm very much on that wavelength at this point.
While I also continue to hold a bunch of ideas about a negating Ten II and giving Rose her happy-for-her-ever-after ending with the Doctor, and having Ten not repeatedly shoot himself in the foot, I also for a bunch of Old Series reasons and based upon EoT kind of want to also have an AU where the Master doesn't die and he and the Doctor get to go and live in peace and have what the Doctor briefly offered in EoT2, whether it ever actually took on its slashy subtext in true form or not. Although, this comes as much from my feelings about the Master as a character as about the Doctor, though I like to think I'm being fair to both of them in my fanon/assessment.
In fact, something like this used to be canon.
Also, it is to be said that you may have a point on the nature of his relationship with Rose being very different and unique and special, because while Time Lords are capable of sexuality (and indeed the Master and the Rani both seem to exhibit a kind of hypersexuality that's related to their respective mental problems), it's sort of my personal fanon that intimate relationships between Time Lords were unnecessary as a result of their means of reproduction and with the kind of society we see the Time Lords to have had, I actually imagine that being too intimate, even with a spouse-like-partner/mate/whatever, would have been frowned upon, since the Time Lords were kind of like an entire race of even odder Jedi, except for renegades like the Doctor and his rivals and enemy-Time Lords. Therefore, even if two Time Lords were arguably what we'd call in love with each other, such a relationship probably wouldn't entirely resemble what we think of when we think of relationships, at least not at very first, due to a long line of strict tradition and the things you were saying about their lifespans and emotional issues.
I digress again.
Hope I'm not annoying you. <3 If I am just tell me to shush.